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LET US NOT BE SELECTIVE IN OUR SPIRITUAL ANALYSIS - PART I

We must respect all religions and spiritual approaches if we are really truly spiritual beings. We shouldn’t try to show others in poor light by quoting selectively.

For example, one respectable Rampal, Satlok Ashram, Karontha, Haryana, India is doing exactly the opposite. He is quoting selectively from scriptures/texts of other religions/paths/practices to convince his followers and other spiritual seekers that Kabir is the ONLY TRUE ALMIGHTY/GOD and that all other paths/religions are either false or incomplete…!In short, he is behaving like a salesperson who tries to sell you a product by highlighting its few exaggerated high qualities and hiding its shortcomings…!

A few samples of his habit of selectively quoting from texts is given below:

1. He says that Swami Ji Maharaj of Radhasoami, Beas had no Master/Guruu. In support, he cites the book authored by Swami Ji Maharaj’ brother in which his brother says that Swami Ji had no Guruu. But, he conveniently hides the fact that Swami Ji Maharaj had got a HIDAAYATNAAMAA written before his death in which he has clearly mentioned that his soul travelled in inner spiritual planes as per the guidance of his MURSHID [Guruu]…! NOW JUST THINK: WHO KNOWS MORE ABOUT YOUR OWN SELF – YOUR BROTHER OR YOU? OBVIOUSLY, YOU ONLY! SIMILARLY, Swami Ji Maharaj knew better than his brother whether Swami Ji Maharaj had a Guruu or not. So, we have to believe in Swami Ji Maharaj’s Hidaayatnaamaa which is contained in the SAARBACHAN published by Radhasoami, Beas.
2. Rampal explains any inconsistency as a proof of the GOD OF EVIL FORCES/KAAL having said through the mouth of the others or acted through others. He says that Lord Krishana could not remember the GITA later on despite being a Yogishwara after the Kurukshetra battle, whereas Vyas could write about it in detail much later….HE SAYS THAT THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE IT WAS GOD OF EVIL FORCES/KAAL WHO HAD SPOKEN GITA FROM THE MOUTH OF KRISHANA…NOW, JUST THINK: Kabir is said to have taken Ramananda to Satloka and performed miracles like dousing fire of Puri temple from a distance of hundreds of kilometres. But, it is also said that Kabir went into hiding to save himself from public anger when someone spread rumours that Kabir was going to throw a levish feast. SHALL WE MEAN TO SAY – IT WAS THE GOD OF EVIL FORCES/KAAL WHO HAD PERFORMED MIRACLES THROUGH KABIR AND THAT IS WHY KABIR COULD NOT PERFORM THE MIRACLE OF EVEN GIVING FEAST TO PEOPLE?

~ J G M J V S A J

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Comment by Dr SWAAMEE_APRTEMAANANDAA_JEE on November 22, 2012 at 9:26am

"1. He says that Swami Ji Maharaj of Radhasoami, Beas had no Master/Guruu. In support, he cites the book authored by Swami Ji Maharaj’ brother in which his brother says that Swami Ji had no Guruu."
MAY KINDLY BE READ AS
1. "He says that Swami Ji Maharaj of Radhasoami, Beas had no Master/Guruu. In support, he cites the book authored by Swami Ji Maharaj’s brother in which his brother says that Swami Ji had no Guruu."

Comment by Dr SWAAMEE_APRTEMAANANDAA_JEE on January 6, 2013 at 2:02pm

AMPAL CLAIMED IN HIS BOOK ‘PRIBHASHA PRABHU KI’, 2003 EDITION, THAT RAMPAL WAS GIVEN AUTHORITY TO INITIATE/MAKE DISCIPLES BY HIS GURUU/MASTER RAMDEV [IN RESPONSE TO A SPECIFIC QUESTION AS TO WHETHER KABIRA THE SAINT HAD AUTHORISED RAMPAL TO INITIATE DISCIPLES OR NOT]. SEE THE FOLLOWING PLATES NUMBERS 1 AND 2

(PLATE NUMBER 1)

(PLATE NUMBER 2)

BUT, IN A BOOK ‘DHARATEE PAR AVATAR’ PUBLISHED IN THE YEAR 2011 BY ONE OF HIS DISCIPLES AND BEING FREELY DISTRIBUTED IN BARWALA/KARONTHA ASHRAMS TO RAMPAL’S DISCIPLES WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE OF RAMPAL, CLAIMS THAT RAMPAL HAS TOLD TO HIS DISCIPLES THAT KABIRA THE SAINT HAD APPEARED BEFORE RAMPAL IN THE YEAR 1997 AND AUTHORISED RAMPAL TO GIVE THE SAARNAAM….! SEE THE PLATE NUMBER 3


(PLATE NUMBER3)

NOW JUST THINK:
IT HAS JUST TAKEN 8-9 YEARS FOR RAMPAL AND SOME OF HIS DISCIPLES TO CHANGE RAMPAL’S CLAIM REGARDING AUTHORISATION FOR INITIATION OF DISCIPLES….! IN THE YEAR 2003, RAMPAL CLEARLY STATED THAT RAMPAL HAD BEEN AUTHORISED BY HIS GURUU RAMDEV TO INITIATE DISCIPLES. NOW, IN THE BOOK PUBLISHED IN THE YEAR 2011, RAMPAL CLAIMS THAT RAMPAL WAS AUTHORISED BY KABIRA THE SAINT TO INITIATE DISCIPLES….! WELL, IF CLAIMS BY A KABIRA-PANTHA GURUU LIKE RAMPAL HAVE UNDERGONE A CHANGE IN JUST 8-9 YEARS IN THIS AGE OF FAST COMMUNICATION, YOU CAN VERY WELL IMAGINE HOW MUCH THE ORIGINAL COUPLETS/TEXTS BY KABIRA THE SAINT MUST HAVE UNDERGONE CHANGES/TWISTS/MISQUOTATIONS TO SUIT THE PERSONAL LIKES/DISLIKES/WHIMS/FANCIES OF KABIRA-PANTHA FOLLOWERS/GURUUS IN THE LAST HUNDREDS OF YEARS WHEN WE HUMANS HAD NO FAST MEANS OF COMMUNICATION TO CHECK AND CROSS-CHECK THE FACTS…..!

THE MOTTO OF RAMPAL AND SOME OF HIS FOLLOWERS SEEMS TO BE: DISTRIBUTE A SPIRITUAL LIE TO MORE THAN A LAKH OF SPIRITUAL-SEEKERS AND THE SPIRITUAL LIE SHALL BECOME THE TRUTH….!

~ JAGADA GURUU MAA JAGADAMBAA VEBHUUTE SWAAMEE APRTEMAANANDA JEE

Comment by Dr SWAAMEE_APRTEMAANANDAA_JEE on January 8, 2013 at 2:34pm

AKSHYA: "In the above refered books when the answer from SANT RAM PAL JI MAharaj was referencing towards- Pratham NAAM & SAT NAAM and the later answer indicates towards SAAR NAAM which was authorized by KABIR Sahib ji.".....

ANSWER:
-1. FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION, WHEN A GURUU AUTHORIZES HIS DISCIPLE TO BECOME A GURUU TO INITIATE FURTHER DISCIPLES THEN THE AUTHORIZATION IS GIVEN IN FULL...AND NOT IN INSTALMENTS ...! SINCE IT IS FULLY CLEAR THAT RAMPAL AND SOME OF HIS FOLLOWERS ARE EXPERTS IN TWISTING STATEMENTS, IT IS NO WONDER THEN THAT YOU NOW SEEM TO JUSTIFY WRONGLY RAMPAL'S CLAIM MADE IN THE YEAR 2011 PUBLISHED BOOK, BY YOU TRYING TO FOOL US INTO BELIEVING THAT RAMPAL WASN'T AUTHORIZED BY RAMPAL'S GURUU TO GIVE SAARNAAM....ALL THIS TALK OF KABIR HAVING APPEARED BEFORE RAMPAL IN 1997 AUTHORIZING RAMPAL TO GIVE SAARNAAM IS A CRUDE DISHONEST ATTEMPT AND AN AFTER-THOUGHT TO TRY TO SHOW RAMPAL EQUAL TO KABIRA THE SAINT ABOUT WHOM KABIRA PANTHIS CLAIM THAT KABIRA MADE GURUU ONLY FOR SAKE OF TRADITION AS KABIRA OTHERWISE DID NOT NEED ANY GURUU AT ALL......!

2. I AM NOT WASTING MY PRECIOUS TIME , DEAR....! I AM JUST UTILIZING MY TIME WISELY TO POINT OUT WISELY THE FLAWS IN RAMPAL'S FALSE CLAIMS AND TEACHINGS.....AS I HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU SEEM TO HAVE BEEN TOTALLY HYPNOTIZED BY RAMPAL AND AS SUCH I DON'T EXPECT THAT YOU WILL ANY SOONER USE YOUR REASONING POWER TO UNDERSTAND THE FALLACIES IN WHICH RAMPAL BELIEVES....!

3. THANKS FOR YOU OFFER TO ANSWER ANY OF MY QUESTIONS IF ANY ABOUT RAMPAL.....I AM A VERY SMALL CREATURE, A VERY SMALL SPIRITUAL SEEKER ON THE PATH OF SPIRITUALITY....BUT, I KNOW ONE THING FOR SURE THAT RAMPAL IS TRYING TO MISLEAD SPIRITUAL-SEEKERS.....IT'S MY DUTY TO IMPARTIALLY LOOK INTO RAMPAL'S CLAIMS SO THAT THE GENUINE SPIRITUAL SEEKERS ARE NOT MISLED.....!

Comment by Dr SWAAMEE_APRTEMAANANDAA_JEE on January 11, 2013 at 5:28pm

1. AKSHYA, YOU HAVE CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED THE PROBLEM THAT IS WITH SPIRITUALLY NOT SO-WELL INFORMED/READ SPIRITUAL SEEKERS LIKE YOU AND YOUR GURUU RAMPAL BY TELLING ME THAT "...uncomplete understanding about any subject is most dangerous. If you are sincere, first start loving yourself. Achieve somthing which is as per shastra's e.g. VED'S, PURANA'S, GITA, BIBLE, KURAN which are autheticated by humanity. Individual's personal realisation & experiences shouls align with the milestones refererred in these shastras..." THIS STATEMENT APPLIES TO YOUR RAMPAL AND YOU. THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO ME....PLEASE, INTROSPECT SINCERELY.....! ANYWAY, IT'S YOUR KARMA....!

2. REGARDING MY ACHIEVEMENTS, I AM FULLY SATISFIED......I NEED NOT TELL YOU EVERYTHING OF IT....!

3. YOU CLAIM TO BE A WELL READ SPIRITUAL SEEKER, THEN YOU OUGHT TO HAVE READ YOUR OWN GURUU RAMPAL'S 'BOOK PRIBHASHA PRABHU KI' CAREFULLY. IF YOU HAD READ IT CAREFULLY, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SUGGESTED - "In the above refered books when the answer from SANT RAM PAL JI MAharaj was referencing towards- Pratham NAAM & SAT NAAM and the later answer indicates towards SAAR NAAM which was authorized by KABIR Sahib ji.".....

Rampal, Kabira-Pantha Guruu says, “TAT and SAT these both mantras are secret, here only indication is given. THESE TWO MANTRAS ONLY are with this DAAS WHICH MY GURUDEVA HAS GIVEN ME IN DAAN [INITIATION] AND HAS ORDERED ME TO GIVE IN DAAN [INITIATION]..” FOR PROOF, SEE THE FOTO COPY OF THE RELEVANT PAGE FROM RAMPAL’S OWN BOOK PRIBHASHA PRBHU KI, published in the year 2003.

‘TAT’ indicates ‘SOHAM’ MANTRA and SAT indicates/substitutes the SAARNAAM. THUS, IT IS CLEAR THAT RAMPAL WAS GIVEN THE ORDER TO GIVE SAARNAAM TO DISCIPLES BY RAMPAL’S OWN GURUU RAMADEVAANAND AND NOT BY KABIRA THE SAINT. BUT, IN THE BOOK ‘DHARATI PAR AVATAR’ PUBLISHED IN THE YEAR 2011 [AND WIDELY DISTRIBUTED WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE OF RAMPAL IN HIS BARWALA SATLOKA ASHRAM IN HARYANA] , IT IS CLAIMED THAT THE SAINT KABIRA HAD APPEARED BEFORE RAMPAL AND ORDERED RAMPAL TO GIVE THE SAARNAAM TO DISCIPLES…..! CLEARLY, RAMPAL IS TRYING TO FOOL THE NOT SO-WELL INFORMED SPIRITUAL-SEEKERS…! IT IS ALSO CLEAR, THE BOOK DHARATI PAR AVATAR IS FULL OF OTHER MANY WRONG CLAIMS IN AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE A SEMI-GOD OUT OF RAMPAL….!

ANYHOW, I HAVE ONLY LOTS OF LOVE FOR YOU....MAY YOU ONE DAY REALIZE FALLACIES IN RAMPAL'S THOUGHTS/PHILOSOPHY...!

Comment by Dr SWAAMEE_APRTEMAANANDAA_JEE on February 17, 2013 at 4:25pm

DEAR A.......KSHAY

YOU SAY - "He was ordered by KABIR Sahib to start giving SAAR NAM at what time.".....

ANSWER:
1. I THINK, ENOUGH FOOLING HAS BEEN DONE BY RAMPAL TO FOOL OTHERS......NO CORRECT-THINKING PERSON SHALL BELIEVE IN THE FALSE CLAIM OF RAMPAL HAVING BEEN ORDERED BY KABIRA TO GIVE SAAR-NAAM.....WELL. YOU ARE MOST WELCOME TO BELIEVE IN YOUR GURUU RAMPAL'S THIS FALSE CLAIM IF YOU LIKE SO.....

Rampal, Kabira-Pantha Guruu says, “TAT and SAT these both mantras are secret, here only indication is given. THESE TWO MANTRAS ONLY are with this DAAS WHICH MY GURUDEVA HAS GIVEN ME IN DAAN [INITIATION] AND HAS ORDERED ME TO GIVE IN DAAN [INITIATION]..” THIS CLEARLY MEANS THAT RAMPAL WAS ORDERED BY RAMPAL'S GURU RAMDEVANAND TO GIVE AUM-SOHAM [SATNAM] AND SAARNAAM [indicated here by substitute word SAT] TO DISCIPLES. SO, THE CLAIM THAT KABIRA ORDERED RAMPAL TO GIVE SAARNAAM TO DISCIPLES IS TOTALLY WRONG AS IS CLEAR FROM THE SCREENSHOT PUT UP EARLIER HERE...!

2. MAY ALMIGHTY HELP YOUR SPIRITUAL SOUL SEE SPIRITUALITY FULLY CLEARLY....!

Comment by Dr SWAAMEE_APRTEMAANANDAA_JEE on February 17, 2013 at 8:26pm

[A]

THE ABOVE FOTO COPY CLEARLY SHOWS THAT:
1. AUM TAT SAT forms the full mantra given by RAMPAL. AUM means 'AUM' and TAT means 'SOHAM'. Both AUM and TAT means AUM-SOHAM [SATNAM]. SAT is indicative of SAARNAAM.
2. Rampal says that BOTH THE MANTRAS [ TAT- SOHAM and SAT] were given to him by his guruu Ramdevanand.

[B]

THE FOTO COPY [A] IS TAKEN FROM THE BOOK 'PRIBHASHA PRBHU KI' [SEE THE FOTO COPY B] BY RAMPAL, PUBLISHED IN 2003. IF KABIRA HAD REALLY ORDERED RAMPAL IN 1997 TO GIVE SAARNAAM TO DISCIPLES, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED IN HIS AFORESAID BOOK PUBLISHED MUCH LATER IN THE YEAR 2003. BUT, IT IS NOT MENTIONED THERE.

CONCLUSION:

THE ABOVE MENTIONED FACTS TAKEN FROM RAMPAL'S OWN BOOK 'PRIBHASHA PRBHU KI' SHOW CLEARLY THAT:
1. RAMPAL WAS ORDERED BY RAMDEVANAND TO GIVE SATNAM AND SAARNAAM TO DISCIPLES.
2. KABIRA NEVER ORDERED RAMPAL TO GIVE SAARNAAM TO DISCIPLES.
3. A WELL-CALCULATED EFFORT HAS BEEN MADE BY RAMPAL TO PROPAGATE HIMSELF AS A SUPER-SPIRITUAL SOUL BY CREATING THE FALSE MYTH OF KABIR HAVING ORDERED RAMPAL TO GIVE SAARNAAM TO DISCIPLES.

WELL, IT'S ALL A PLAY OF DESTINY....!

Comment by Dr SWAAMEE_APRTEMAANANDAA_JEE on February 17, 2013 at 8:32pm

AUM-SOHAM-RAM seems to be the mantra that used to be given by GARIBDAS:

Comment by Dr SWAAMEE_APRTEMAANANDAA_JEE on June 24, 2013 at 12:55pm

"The claim made by the Radhasoami Beas' pantha that the astral form of their present Satguru guides the disciple in the inner/astral spiritual word is proved wrong by Swami Ji Maharaj who had got a HIDAAYATNAAMAA written before his death in which he has clearly mentioned that his soul travelled in inner spiritual planes as per the guidance of his MURSHID [Guruu]…! NOTE HERE: Swami Ji Maharaj nowhere says that the ASTRAL FORM OF SWAMI JI MAHARAJ'S SATGURU WAS WALKING BEFORE HIM[SWAMI JI MAHARAJ] ON THE INNER SPIRITUAL PLANE......:) AMUSING, ISN'T IT...:)"
~ JGMJVSAJ

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